echoes of athenian idols

Tuesday, September 30, 2003:

added a new blog to the list 'DogfightAtBankstown'. it's an aussie one and a good one at that. check it out.
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found a new thing for the blog - polls! (see right) have often seen them and wondered how to do it, so here it is, make sure you vote...(sorry it's a bit lame but it was the best i could think of at the time!)
you can make them
here if anyone's interested
**** // 12:31 am


Monday, September 29, 2003:

if you havent already heard about it, there is a new website out there all about new forms of emerging church. links together stuff that's going on all over the world. think echo is listed here - have also added it to the links on the right.
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Friday, September 26, 2003:

we had 17 people turn up to hope street on thursday ....sometimes it's a bit overwhelming when that many turn up. it makes it harder to feel like you can really talk to everyone properly. thanks to everyone who came and to those who helped set up, etc.
here is a prayer from the prayer book: (hope you dont mind)

Thank you for words
that stay like candles for me,
for the dandelion on the wall
and the broken tile on the cross.
For telling me that broken people
are wounded healers. For forgiveness
for what is past
and hope
and strength
and a candle, a dandelion
and a piece of broken pottery
to send me forward
- anon

should maybe explain the dandelion of the readings was by a guy called Ulrich Schafer, and gordon had taken this amazing photograph of a dandelion being blown and the seeds flying through the air which we projected on the wall, it makes for a great's the reading:

I am persuaded by the dandelion
To take the wings of the updrift
to parachute into enemy country

to fall to the ground
to be walked on
to lose beauty
to die
and so to give birth
to a whole generation of flyers.

- Ulrich Schafer

**** // 11:05 pm


Tuesday, September 23, 2003:

God's secret garden Thursday 9pm - 11pm (drop in anytime) @ the bush cafe

for those who missed it at greenbelt: Hope Street - the under-rated sibling of faith and love


It is important to tell, at least from time to time, the secret of who we really truly and fully are - even if we tell it only to ourselves - because otherwise we run the risk of losing track of who we truly and fully are and little by little come to accept the highly edited version which we put forth in hope that the world will find it more acceptable than the real thing. - Frederick Buechner
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Monday, September 22, 2003:

the theme of the desert keeps coming up. someone told me after greenbelt that the stuff we did over there was like 'a desert in the oasis'. i told this to our planning group on wednesday night and we talked about it for quite a while. seems like we're going to start exploring it in god's secret garden. 'the way of the heart' by henri nouwen is all about the silence and solitude practised by the desert fathers and mothers in fourth and fifth century egypt. seems like the desert fathers and mothers didnt try to escape the world because the world was so evil, but simply because life was too easy there and they couldnt find god. they left their comfortable existences to find god in the desert. persecution had gone, it was no longer possible to be a blood witness for Christ. life was good, people could live in peace. but they couldnt find god. is it possible it became cool to be a christian? did people domesticate and water down a faith that had previously got them martyred? we dont know for sure. but its possible.
what we do know is the desert was a place of silence and solitude. there was nothing there. and that is when they found god. when everything else was stripped away.
st. anthony, the father of monks, felt the call of God to go, sell all his possessions and live in the desert. For twenty years he lived in complete solitude. when he emerged from this period of isolation people flocked to him for healing, comfort and direction. people from all walks of life came to see him and ask his advice. nouwen writes that 'he had achieved a quality of heart, an inner disposition that could no longer be disturbed by those who needed his guidance'. after years of living with the people, anthony went back into the desert, back to an even deeper silence and solitude, back to be with god. he died in 356.
i dont really know where this is going to take us - if anywhere - but it might be good for us to think of godspace as a desert, our own place of silence and solitude, where we can go to get away from it all, to spend time 'being' with god, away from all the other comforts and distractions of our twenty-first century existence.

**** // 8:41 am


Thursday, September 18, 2003:

dates for godspaces in the next few months will be as follows:

Sept: 25th
Oct: 9th & 23rd
Nov: 6th & 20th
Dec: 4th & 18th

all will start at 9pm at
the bush, elmwood ave.
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Wednesday, September 17, 2003:

we got a link recently from the corner, just returning the favour. very interesting blog.
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Saturday, September 13, 2003:

acquired a book of childrens prayers. so simple, and yet so profound. here are a few of the best:

How did you know you were God? - Charlene

Dear God, I read the bible. What does begat mean? No one will tell me. Love Alison

Dear God, instead of letting people die and haveing to make new ones why dont you just keep the ones you got now? - Jane

God, who draws the lines around the countries?

Dear God, I went to this wedding and they kissed right in church. Is that ok? - Neil

Dear God, Are there any patriarchs around today? - Patrick

Dear God, In bible times did they really talk that fancy? - Jennifer

Dear God, I am English, what are you? - Robert

Dear God, How come you did all those miracles in the old days and you dont do any now?

Dear God, if you give me a genie lamp like Alladin I will give you anything you want except my money and my chess set.

Dear God, I keep waiting for spring but it never come yet. Dont forget. - Mark

Dear God, I think about you sometimes, even when I'm not praying. - Elliot

Dear God, if you watch in church on sunday i will show you my new shoes. - Mickey D

God, I dont ever feel alone since i found out about you. - Nora

Dear God, it is great the way you always get the stars in the right places. - Jeff

and my personal favourite:

Dear God,
I am doing the best I can.

**** // 5:25 pm


Monday, September 08, 2003:

heres an opportunity for you to get involved in echo godspaces. if you think you could add something to them, we're getting together a team at the moment to plan them and help put them on. there's already a few folk interested so if you'd like to join them, let us know and we'll sort something out. otherwise, we'll be starting up again on the 25th of this month, with one every other week. there'll be news up here nearer the time as to when and where, etc. until then, it's a secret location ;) for anyone who wasnt at greenbelt, we'll be puttin on the hope street one at some point...
**** // 9:36 am


Tuesday, September 02, 2003:

these are a few quotes from the prayer book - there are so many i could put up here, the last one is my fav. (the theme of greenbelt was 'diving for pearls', these are taken from our service 'a pregnant silence') thanks to everyone who wrote something - your input is appreciated very much

'How great it will be when the racket of cars, computers and television will be drowned by divine silence.'

'I am a small stone + you wash over me
I feel your watere running over me + I delight in its purity
Rough corners you smooth out - gradually, over time I am changed.
You change me.'

'Thank you Jesus that you love the stillness of me and love to see me dance.'

'I long for the deep, for the waters to cover me.
I long for the deep, for the waters to cover me.
Where the surface and its noise cant reach me.
I'm uncertain and insecure - it's been a while since I've done this
But here goes...
You see, I think I heard something.
I think something was revealed.
I wondered if maybe God whispered a secret in my ear.
The secret is this...
...diving for pearls, longing for the deep, for the waters to cover me...
...the pearl is not an object I will find there. When I get down deep enough there is nothing but sand. The pearl, the real treasure, is being there, in the deep, the peace , the silence, the still. I'll get there and I'll realise this is why it was worth the dive. Now that I think of it...maybe that's where I just spent the last hour.'

**** // 12:04 am


Monday, September 01, 2003:

some of the things people wrote in the book at the end of our godspaces at greenbelt were amazing. One or two of them are so personal and moving that it wouldnt be appropriate to post them here, but i'll try to pick out a couple of others later so you can see what sort of thing that people are thinking. it's great for us to have such a book, very encouraging to see how different people engage with god wherever they happen to be coming from. different people, each a divinely created mystery, reaching up toward the heavens, squinting for a glimse of the truth. more later...
**** // 11:03 am


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This is the echo weblog. An echo is somewhere between a voice and no voice, somewhere between hearing and not hearing, and somewhere between knowing and not knowing. It's a place of faith and doubt. It's for all those trying to shed their snake skins of tradition, pride, ignorance, prejudice, and trying to work things out for themselves. It's for those caught dancing in the dichotomy of clubbing and christianity, and still trying to follow Christ.
a few of us were discussing what songs the disciples hummed to themselves as they walked home on ascension day....which do you think it was?
'leaving on a jet plane' - like in armageddon (the film that is, not the real thing)
anything by 'air'
'lifted' by 'the lighthouse family'
'up, up and away' by 'andy williams'
'i believe i can fly' by 'r kelly'
'reach for the stars' by 's club'
'stairway to heaven' by 'led zeppelin' (or rolf harris, depends on your taste)
'the only way is up' by 'yazz and the plastic population'
'i'll fly away' by 'alison krauss'
'movin on up' by 'primal scream'
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